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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1213:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Procitao (sam doduse na preskoke) vecinu tema, mozda je i negde pisano o tome, ali mi je ocigledno promaklo. Naime, treba da radim izolaciju i fasadu na kuci pa me zanima da li ima razlike u proizvodjacima stiropora ili je to manje vise sve isto, a treba obratiti paznju na mrezicu, lepak tiplove i na kraju sam fasdni malter i na njihov kvalitet.<br />\\nKonkretno u Lazarevcu je uglavnom ponuda stiropora koji se proizvodi na (Ubu ne zn in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:639:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Iz ovog posta mi nije jasno da li se raspituješ za varijantu ssm ili skupljaš informacija da bi znao kako sa majstorima da komuniciraš.</p>\\n<p>O svim pitanjima koja si postavio bilo je pisano veoma mnogo na stranicama ovog foruma.Pošto vidim da nisi novajlija, potrudi se malo pa pažljivo pročitaj ono što je već napisano.</p>\\n ', created = 1684650018, expire = 1684736418, headers = &# in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:541:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>[marq=left]<span style=\\"color:blue\\"><span style=\\"font-weight:bold\\"><span style=\\"font-style:italic\\">Uradi sam, ali bez znanja i alata nema zanata!</span></span></span>[/marq]</p>\\n ', created = 1684650018, expire = 1684736418, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:409:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Без алата нема заната, a без знања ни најбољи алат неће помоћи..</p>\\n ', created = 1684650018, expire = 1684736418, headers = '', serialized = 0 WHERE cid = '3:f0da8a98e1c6682beb3cd064732e4fc0'\";s:5:\"%file\";s:76:\"/home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/cache.inc\";s:5:\"%line\" in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1242:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Nije SSM varijanta. Radice majsotri. Psoto majstori rade sa mojim materijalom, zanimalo me koji stiropor da kupim. Naravno, svaki majstor ima neki svoj predlog, neki kazu svejedno... Pa me zato zanimalo da li ima veze ko je proizvodjac stiropora. Ranije sam iscitao vecinu tema, ali se sada ne mogu setiti da li je nesto pisano na tu temu. A sada mi je ovo aktuelno, pa da ne citam ponovo. Ali nije, problem, potrazicu.</p>\\n<p&am in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1376:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Sto se tice stiropora, nazoves 1. maj i pitas zasto je njihov bolji u odnosu na Austrotherm. Potom nazoves Austrotherm i pitas obrnuto <img src=\\"http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/sites/all/modules/smileys/packs/Roving/smile.png\\" title=\\"Smile\\" alt=\\"Smile\\" class=\\"smiley-content\\"/></p>\\n<p>Iz mog iskustva, 1. maj ima sa in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:583:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Pravilna priprema podloge je 50% uspeha u zavrsnim gradjevinskim radovima (a i kod zena) <img src=\\"http://www.samsvojmajstor.com/portal/sites/all/modules/smileys/packs/Roving/wink.png\\" title=\\"Wink\\" alt=\\"Wink\\" class=\\"smiley-content\\"/></p>\\n ', created = 1684650018, expire = 1684736418, headers = '', serialize in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:1645:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Hvala Cereman. Kod ovog majstora je cena ruku za Ceresit sistem 7 eur, a za \\"obicne sisteme\\" 6 eur (kod jednog drugog sa kojim sam razgovarao su ruke 5.5 eur). Bice ipak da je u pitanju ono, \\"Kada investitor ima dovoljno novca da radi Ceresit, onda neka malo skuplje plati i ruke\\". Mada od tog 1 eur po m2 se izvodjac sigurno nece obogatiti bez obzira sto je konkretno ta kuca imala oko 800m2 fasade. A sada in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Warning: Table './ssm_restore/watchdog' is marked as crashed and should be repaired query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, variables, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (0, 'php', '%message in %file on line %line.', 'a:4:{s:6:\"%error\";s:12:\"user warning\";s:8:\"%message\";s:856:\"Table 'ssm_restore.cache_filter' doesn't exist\nquery: UPDATE cache_filter SET data = ' <p></p><p>Mišljenja sam da se oko različitih sistema izrade izolacije pravi neka zbrka.Ni u kom slučaju ne treba da bude razlike pri postavljanju kompakt fasade s bilo čije strane.Pravila su jasna i treba ih ispoštovati.Navedeno je dosta puta ovde da jedino uprošćavanje i izostavljanje odredjenih operacija dovodi do pojeftinjenja cene po m2.Mislim samo na ruke.Sasvim druga razlika postoji pri izboru materjala i razlika u ceni naspram kvaliteta.Ovo se in /home/admin/domains/samsvojmajstor.com/public_html/portal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 135

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Koji stiropor (proizvodjac) za termoizloaciju?

Submitted by AccA on Sun, 23/05/2010 - 20:00

Procitao (sam doduse na preskoke) vecinu tema, mozda je i negde pisano o tome, ali mi je ocigledno promaklo. Naime, treba da radim izolaciju i fasadu na kuci pa me zanima da li ima razlike u proizvodjacima stiropora ili je to manje vise sve isto, a treba obratiti paznju na mrezicu, lepak tiplove i na kraju sam fasdni malter i na njihov kvalitet.
Konkretno u Lazarevcu je uglavnom ponuda stiropora koji se proizvodi na (Ubu ne znam tacan naziv, nesto Fiba ili slicno) i 1. Maj Cacak. Ima i neki Austroterm, ali se i taj valjda pravi na Ubu ili gde vec. Cuo sam za termin Ceresit fasada. Nisam samo siguran da li je i tu neka posebna izrada, tj nacin postavlajnja same termoziloacije (jer su tu ruke nesto skuplje) ili je samo u pitanju ceresitov materijal (koji je skuplji od drugih proizvodjaca pa su tu i ruke skuplje, jer majstori racunaju ko ima para za skuplji materijal neka skuplje plati i ruke).

Sun, 23/05/2010 - 20:04
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Iz ovog posta mi nije jasno da li se raspituješ za varijantu ssm ili skupljaš informacija da bi znao kako sa majstorima da komuniciraš.

O svim pitanjima koja si postavio bilo je pisano veoma mnogo na stranicama ovog foruma.Pošto vidim da nisi novajlija, potrudi se malo pa pažljivo pročitaj ono što je već napisano.

Без алата нема заната, a без знања ни најбољи алат неће помоћи..

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Sun, 23/05/2010 - 20:24
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Nije SSM varijanta. Radice majsotri. Psoto majstori rade sa mojim materijalom, zanimalo me koji stiropor da kupim. Naravno, svaki majstor ima neki svoj predlog, neki kazu svejedno... Pa me zato zanimalo da li ima veze ko je proizvodjac stiropora. Ranije sam iscitao vecinu tema, ali se sada ne mogu setiti da li je nesto pisano na tu temu. A sada mi je ovo aktuelno, pa da ne citam ponovo. Ali nije, problem, potrazicu.

Ovo oko Ceresit fasade, je cisto usputno pitanje. Jer sa jednim od majstora kada sam pricao mi je rekao da upravo zav rsavaju fasadu na kuci jednog poznanika ali da je radjen Ceresit sistem (ili kako je on vec nazvao), i naglasio mi je da su tu ruke (i materijal naravno) nesto skuplji. Pa me zanimalo da li je tu i neki spcijalni nacin izrade i postavljanja , ili su skuplje ruke jer je i materijal skuplji. Ni ovo se nesecam da sam negde video, ali potrazicu.

Hvala, u svakom slucaju.

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Sun, 23/05/2010 - 20:50
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Sto se tice stiropora, nazoves 1. maj i pitas zasto je njihov bolji u odnosu na Austrotherm. Potom nazoves Austrotherm i pitas obrnuto Smile

Iz mog iskustva, 1. maj ima sasvim OK stiropor tako da ne bih previse razmisljao oko toga; i cene su maltene iste.

Sto se tice Ceresit fasade. Ceresit sistem je sistem za koji se daje garancija od 15 godina a radove izvode izvodjaci koji imaju Ceresit licencu.
Cena za izvodjenje se nikako ne razlikuje u odnosu na bilo koji drugi sistem (majstoru je jedino lakse da radi sa kvalitetnijim materijalima).
Kada se daje garancija, obavezno je prisustvo inzenjera iz Ceresita koji nadgleda radove tako da majstor ne sme nista da radi na svoju ruku (u protivnom gubi licencu).

Nazovi ljude iz Ceresit-a pa ce ti objasniti detaljnije.

Pozdrav!

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Sun, 23/05/2010 - 23:32
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Hvala Cereman. Kod ovog majstora je cena ruku za Ceresit sistem 7 eur, a za "obicne sisteme" 6 eur (kod jednog drugog sa kojim sam razgovarao su ruke 5.5 eur). Bice ipak da je u pitanju ono, "Kada investitor ima dovoljno novca da radi Ceresit, onda neka malo skuplje plati i ruke". Mada od tog 1 eur po m2 se izvodjac sigurno nece obogatiti bez obzira sto je konkretno ta kuca imala oko 800m2 fasade. A sada nesto povezujem, bas pre par dana kada sam se video sa majstorom (potencijalnim izvodjacem) smo kroz razgovor dotakli temu da mu je predhodnog dana bio taj i taj (ne secam se imena) iz Henkela. Ceresit - Henkel, to mu je valjda isto. A znam da su tihdana i zavrsili taj objekat o kome govorimo. Sto ide u korist ove tvrdnje da radove mora nadgledati neko iz Ceresita.
Kada pominjemo tu garanciju. Kod Ceresita je to 15 godina. Kolika je garancija kod drugih, recimo 01. Maja? Takodje, ako je garancija 15 godina, zanima me sta se desava sa tom fasadom posle toga? Ima li neko iskustava, koliki je zivotnio vek jedne termo fasade?
I ja sam nekako bio najblizi 1. Maj-u. Ovo je jos samo jedna potvrda, ali razmislicu jos malo. Na drugim temama sam procitao da ne treba mesati proizvodjace, vec kada se investitor odluci za nekog uzme sve od njega od stiropora preko lepka do mrezice i tiplova.

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Mon, 24/05/2010 - 11:03
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Mišljenja sam da se oko različitih sistema izrade izolacije pravi neka zbrka.Ni u kom slučaju ne treba da bude razlike pri postavljanju kompakt fasade s bilo čije strane.Pravila su jasna i treba ih ispoštovati.Navedeno je dosta puta ovde da jedino uprošćavanje i izostavljanje odredjenih operacija dovodi do pojeftinjenja cene po m2.Mislim samo na ruke.Sasvim druga razlika postoji pri izboru materjala i razlika u ceni naspram kvaliteta.Ovo se posebno odnosi na debljinu stiropora koju si odlučio da koristiš u smislu opravdanosti ukupnih ulaganja.

Za improvizacije...nema garancije !!!

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Mon, 24/05/2010 - 23:27
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Ne znam za 1. maj jer ih gotovo nigde nema u maloprodajama a ni u veleprodajama. Zato pretpostavljam da ne daju garanciju a i ako daju, treba proveriti na sta se konkretno odnosi.

Inace, da bi se dala garancija treba neka od institucija za ispitavanje ove vrste materijala da stoji iza cele price.
U Evropi to je ETA a kod nas ETA sertifikate imaju Ceresit, JUB, Baumit, Rofix i mozda jos neko.

ETA ispituje materijale u realnim uslovima pri cemu se objekat izlozi tzv. vestackom starenju. U zavisnosti od toga koliko ciklusa naizmenicnog smrzavanja, kvasenja, otopljavanja prodje bez ikakvih defekata, procenjuje se starost fasade.
Iz tih razloga neko daje garaniciju na 5, neko na deset a neko na 15 godina...

Posle odredjenog broja godina, fasadu kao i svaki drugi zavrsni materijal u gradjevini treba osveziti. Osvezavanje fasade se moze odraditi i najcesce se radi krecenjem fasade punim disperzijama u boji po izboru.

A da li ce to sve biti potrebno zavisi iskljucivo od onoga gore koji nam pusta kisu, sneg, UV zracenje itd. itd. A na onoga gore se ne moze uticati Wink

Jos jednom, pozovi ljude iz 1. maja i Ceresita ako se dvoumis pa prepusti strucnim ljudima da ti pojasne razlike a ti na kraju odluci sta ti vise odgovara.

Pozzz!

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Wed, 26/05/2010 - 12:11
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Duzan sam da donekle demantujem sebe. Doduse, procitao sam ponovo sta sam napisao i nisam nista lose mislio i pogresno napisao. ALi sam izneo neke nedovoljno proverene predpostavke, poput ove:

AccA wrote:
Bice ipak da je u pitanju ono, "Kada investitor ima dovoljno novca da radi Ceresit, onda neka malo skuplje plati i ruke". Mada od tog 1 eur po m2 se izvodjac sigurno nece obogatiti bez obzira sto je konkretno ta kuca imala oko 800m2 fasade.

Moja predpostavka je bila pogresna. I kod ovog majstora je kao i kod drugih ista cena bez ozbira za koji se materijal i sistem investitor odluci. Konkretno na ovoj kuci (napominjem da to nije moja kuca i da ja imam daleko, daleko manje da radim od pomenutih 800m2) su ruke bile nesto skuplje jer fasada nije bila standardna, vec malo komplikovanija za izradu, takodje radjen je stiropr 8-ca, pa je preko toga isla 2-ka, ali sa razmacima od par cm. Ne znam kako se to strucno zove, ali nadam se da razumete na sta mislim.
Nisam uspeo na brzaka naci bolji primer,ali evo kako to izgleda,ovo crno su ti kanalcici / udubljenja sirine par cm koja su nastala kada je lepljen stirpopr 2-ka preko te 8-ce.

Ovom prilikom se izvinjavam svima kojima sam mozda svojim pisanjem i neinformisanoscu naneo direktnu ili indirektnu stetu.

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Wed, 26/05/2010 - 12:52
Re: Koji stiropor (proizvodjac) za termoizloaciju?
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@Acca svaka cast na vise nego korektnom ponasanju.
Mnogi bi trebalo da se ugladaju na Vas.

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